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Title: OK is *not* a word, and other spelling rants
Post by: PastMember on May 22, 2003, 05:25:47 AM
OK is NOT a word.  It is okay.  

It is Dream's End Weyr, not Dreamsend.

It is Amethyst Cliff Hold, not Cliffs.

It is Dragonsfall Weyr, not Dragon's Fall or Dragonfalls.

It is Topaz Sea Hold, not Topaz Hold.

It is Jade Harbour Hold, not Jade Harbor.


And unless it owns something, or the contraction is for IT IS, apostrophes have no place in "dragonriders", "blueriders", etc.

*grumbling Angie*  :confused:
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Post by: PastMember on May 22, 2003, 07:20:22 AM
OK - I'll try to remember those.

:duck:
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Post by: PastMember on May 22, 2003, 07:39:12 AM
*laughs*  Estelle, most days you could correct my grammar and spelling, not the other way around!


And for the ones who'll hit me with:

"But OK is in the dictionary"

Quotefrom Websters:

Main Entry: 1OK
Variant(s): or okay  /O-'kA, in assenting or agreeing also 'O-"kA/
Function: adverb or adjective
Etymology: abbreviation of oll korrect, facetious alteration of all correct

OK is an ABBREVIATION.  Okay is the formal spelling, and please use it.  OK is lazy, and only saves you one keystroke anyway (after all, you still have to hit the shift key!!!).
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Post by: PastMember on May 22, 2003, 09:31:57 AM
I always wondered what okay stood for . . .
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Post by: emma on May 22, 2003, 09:53:10 AM
Just for the record - from a UK english dictionary

OK1 [ṓ káy] or okay [ṓ káy]
interj (informal)
1.  indicating agreement: used to indicate agreement to or approval of what somebody said or did
'Can you help?''OK. What do you want me to do?'
 
2.  used to check for approval: used at the end of a statement to inquire whether somebody has understood and agrees with or approves of what was said
It's your job to make the arrangements, OK?
 
3.  used to indicate finishing something: used to indicate that something is finished and that something else will now be done or discussed
OK, let's move to the next item on the agenda.
 


adj (informal)
1.  passable: acceptable or tolerable but not exceptional
It's OK for a first effort.
 
2.  rather good or pleasant: better than just satisfactory or acceptable
Her parents are OK; we get on quite well.
 
3.  physically well: in good health or condition
I'll be OK if I can just sit down for a minute.
 
4.  allowable: acceptable to somebody or permissible
Is it OK for me to call home on the office phone?
 


adv
fairly well: in an acceptable, tolerable, or satisfactory manner (informal)
Everything's going OK, except that we're a little bit behind schedule.
 


vt (3rd person present singular OK's, present participle OK'ing, past OK'ed, past participle OK'ed) (3rd person present singular okays, present participle okaying, past okayed, past participle okayed) (informal)
1.  give approval for something: to approve of or consent to something
I just need you to OK the agenda.
 
2.  obtain somebody's consent: to obtain somebody's approval of or consent to something
I'll need to OK that with my boss.
 


n (plural OK's) (plural okays)
approval: approval to do something or consent to something (informal)
As soon as she gives the OK, we'll start work.
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Post by: PastMember on May 22, 2003, 10:22:11 AM
Too bad that wouldn't have passed muster (not mustard folks) with my Composition professor.

I missed having a perfect score in her class because I used "OK" instead of "all right".  It was considered "Slanglish".
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Post by: emma on May 22, 2003, 11:26:33 AM
I apologise - I think this is due to differences in what is perceived as good spelling and grammar on this side of the atlantic.

I went on a written communication course for work and was actually told that it is acceptable to use OK....
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Post by: PastMember on May 22, 2003, 11:37:11 AM
Methinks it is something to do with "casual writing" versus "formal".

QuoteThe Columbia Guide to Standard American English.  1993.
 
O.K., o.k., OK, ok, okay, okeh (adv., adj., n., v.)
 
 
As adverb (The motor's working O.K.), adjective (I'm OK again now), noun (Please get your supervisor's okay), and verb (Will she OK it?), the term okay has very wide use, but it should be limited to Conversational, Informal, or Semiformal use. (The noun occurs frequently in print media these days.) The abbreviation is written with and without the periods but usually with both letters capitalized. Okay is the only current spelled-out version; okeh is obsolete.  

  Avoid letting O.K. overwhelm your speech, especially as a mechanical appeal for concurrence; it is a kind of tic in some speech, especially of the young, as in "O.K., now here's what I have in mind, O.K.? We'll leave at six, O.K.? and I think you'll really enjoy it, O.K.?"


My main objection is that it really *is* an abbreviation, no matter how you look at it, just like etc, ie, and so forth.  But since half the time it's usage is as a character's speech, okay is going to be part of their language most likely.


:haloslip:

Be glad I'm not someone I knew in a prior Pern club who used to chase people around regularly for all sorts of slang and anachronisms.
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Post by: PastMember on May 22, 2003, 01:12:25 PM
Oklahoma!  OK!


I'm sorry, I'm sorry...I just couldn't resist...
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Post by: PastMember on May 22, 2003, 03:09:35 PM
English major steppin' forward! *g*

O.K. is the abbreviation, and therefore if you're going to use it for literature, then you'd use the 'proper' form of 'okay.'  At least that's what I learned.

Of course, I'm still getting used to seeing 'learnt' 'leant' and burnt'. *cringes"  But a Canadian showed me a dictionary and the Canadian edition had it.

My only major pet peeves are the use of 'alright' instead of 'all right'...'tis two words no matter how many popular novelists have sloppy editors that let it slip through...again, that's what I learned in English.

That, and seeing improper syntax when writing dialogue.

"He went left." He said.  instead of:

"He went left," he said. (correct form)

Oh and worse than seeing the Holds spelled improperly is when you're in the middle of a post and see it abbreviated! LOL...

~Nici, who is done nattering on now...
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Post by: PastMember on May 22, 2003, 03:26:03 PM
nicely nattered
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Post by: Paula on May 22, 2003, 10:23:01 PM
Commenting as a non-native englishspeaker, as we are talking about grammar here:
I've always had a problem with english punctuation. I'm never sure where those ,,, goes. In finnish I now instinctly when to put a comma but in english? *shugs*
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Post by: PastMember on May 23, 2003, 04:09:32 AM
Actually Paula, your sentence syntax is better than some English language speakers! *g*

I think most simply don't pay attention--it's really funny when you see avid readers who can't figure out where the  little comma goes!

~Nici
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Post by: PastMember on May 23, 2003, 05:40:58 AM
I will admit to being a bit comma-disadvantaged.  I once had a composition teacher tell me my paper looked like I spilled a pepper shaker on it.
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Post by: Paula on May 23, 2003, 05:44:17 AM
Thank you Nici, paying attention to what you're writing does help.
Maybe we should turn Finnish as the official Triad-language, so everybody would have to pay attention to what they write.
(tries to picture americans struggling with douple consonants, long and short vowels, fifteen different cases and the suffixes... goes behind the corner to laugh her head off)
:rofl:
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Post by: PastMember on May 23, 2003, 05:47:08 AM
mmmm, seems Paula has been hiding a mean streak:D
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Post by: PastMember on May 23, 2003, 09:36:57 AM
And they say *english* is hard to learn?  Geez..remind me never to try to learn Finnish!  Way too difficult for me.  LOL  :D
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Post by: PastMember on May 23, 2003, 03:12:35 PM
I took Latin for 3 years, Spanish for 5--to this day the verbs still make me want to rip out my hair! *g*

I think it's impressive when others take the time to not only learn, but master another language--I never managed to with either of the ones I studied--although I can order dinner in Spanish and Latin is great if you're in law as I was for years.
~Nici
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Post by: PastMember on May 23, 2003, 04:38:39 PM
I moved from Massachusetts to North Carolina four years ago, then to Tennessee two years ago.

I can't even speak Southern, much less Finnish.  (Ang!  Panda!  No comments)
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Post by: PastMember on May 24, 2003, 09:08:40 AM
I am NOT good with modern languages . . . for some reason I'm fine with Latin, which I've taken for, I don't know, a long time? French, I don't understand at all. *sighs* If you ask me the English doomed themselves to difficulty learning other languages, as we do everything based on word order and just can't understand why everyone else doesn't.
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Post by: emma on May 25, 2003, 01:46:52 PM
hah! you want to try learning something like hebrew with a completely different alphabet, and they read the other way to us!
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Post by: PastMember on May 29, 2003, 11:07:54 PM
I'm sorry but my mom is reading over my shoulder and is the grammer police.

Emma you didn't capitalize Hebrew.

And to top it off my mom hates the word 'done'.

Such as: I'm done. As opposed to I'm finished. Since we haven't been cooked she says we can't be done. It makes my mom so mad when I tell her I'm done. It is even worse now because my daughter does it also.

Oh no she is getting out the dictionary. Run for your lives!!! :help:
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Post by: PastMember on May 30, 2003, 10:51:37 AM
I'm good with Languages.  I've taken Spanish, Japanese and Italian and have dabbled in German.  

While I haven't used or taken classes in any of these languages in years and have forgotten a lot, when I was taking them, the languages came very easy to me.  If I ever go back, I'll probably pick them up easily again.

Learning languages is probably one of the few things I'm semi good at. ;-)
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Post by: PastMember on May 30, 2003, 04:33:42 PM
I have to use it to remember a skill. However I'm really bad with languages, I could learn to understand someone perfictly. To speak or write back is very difficult.  I can hardly master english, let alone spell it properly. I'm a wonderful example of an ignorant suburbanite :D.
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Post by: PastMember on June 16, 2003, 10:28:06 PM
I'm from Alabama, so i live hearing okay used over and over, and other such nuisanses such as Fixin' i.e.: I'm fixin' to go wash my car, I'm fixin to go cook supper, etc, etc.  And to top it all off, I, originally Irish, work in a _chinese restaraunt!!!_  So on top of deciphering southern dialect, I now need to learn basic chinese, korean, and indonesian just to work!  :help:  So if I'm coposting with someone and accidentally use southern dialect, smack me, allright?  LOL
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Post by: PastMember on June 17, 2003, 10:29:02 AM
In Memphis where I used to work, they didn't even use fixin'...They used finin...Sort of combined 'fixin' to' into finin...Like...I'm finin go.
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Post by: PastMember on June 17, 2003, 02:39:32 PM
Nihao.
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Post by: PastMember on June 18, 2003, 01:11:17 PM
Nihao to you too!  Shishi!  LMAO about all else I know is 1 - 7 and my name {Shreijing}
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Post by: PastMember on March 01, 2004, 01:28:40 AM
What's up with all these weird sayings?  I'm English, so all this talk about American dialects is right over my head! :dunce: I didn't even think about there being different dialects in the USA.  

There are in the UK.  Where I live, people think I talk funny because I originally come from Somerset (in the south-west of the country, near south Wales).  That's farmer-land!
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Post by: emma on March 01, 2004, 01:51:46 AM
Where's that to then? *adopts broadest brissle accent*  I used to live in Bristol and the locals confused me daily.
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Post by: PastMember on March 02, 2004, 01:21:14 AM
I used to live in Weston-Super-Mare.  Not exactly the best place to hail from. :cool: lol.  I still go back to Weston every year because my dad lives there.  Where do you live now?
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Post by: emma on March 02, 2004, 01:50:31 AM
Weston-Super-Mud! I know it well, well the sea front anyhow, and Scallys. We used to go see is the sea was still hiding 3 miles away behind the sinking mud! I'm back up in my native Yorkshire now.